thanks a bunch Salty, I went single on these and have started some more that I'll go with trebles on if I find I'm missing fish I can swap, they're fairly small, not much longer than some
tins that I have and they'll be fished relatively slow, I used the Envirotex(thanks Baystalker) and really like it, I'm not a creative as some of guys that come up with great designs on their plugs but I can copy almost anything from a pic, I'd love to have actual specimens mounted in some sort of plastic to use for models...